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MINUTES
BAYFIELD COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE
PUBLIC HEARING AND PUBLIC MEETING
DECEMBER 17, 2015
1. Call to Order of Public Hearing: Chairman Rondeau called the public hearing to order
at 4:00 pm.
2. Roll Call: Bussey, Jardine, Pocernich, Rondeau, and Strand – all present.
Others present were: Director-Rob Schierman, Jennifer Croonborg-Murphy-AZA, Josh
Rowley-AZA, and Krystal Hudachek - Secretary.
3. Affidavit of Publication: Schierman showed the audience the affidavit of publication
and the certified mailing receipts.
4. Review of Meeting Format – Chairman Rondeau explained the procedure of the
meeting. He asked everyone who wished to speak to fill out a form; and stated they will
be asked to come forward and speak into the microphone.
5. Public Comment – for issues not already on the agenda [3 minutes per citizen]
6. Minutes of Previous Meeting(s): Rondeau stated the minutes are from the November
19, 2015 meeting.
Jardine motioned to approve. Strand seconded. No further discussion.
Motion carried.
7. Public Hearing:
A. A petition by Robert Schierman, Director of Planning and Zoning, on behalf
of the Bayfield County Planning and Zoning Committee, requesting an
ordinance amending sections 13-1-21, 13-1-22(a)(4)b, 13-1-22, and 13-1-62, and
13-1-101A(c) code of ordinances, Bayfield county, Wisconsin.
Section 1. Subsection (e)(1) [fee schedule] of Section 13-1-21 [General Land
Use Requirements] of Article B [General Provisions] of Chapter 1
[Zoning Code] of Title 13 [Zoning Code] of the Code of
Ordinances, Bayfield County, Wisconsin, is hereby amended to
read as follows, with additions highlighted by the double underline
feature (additions):
ll. Boathouse………………………. ………………….$ 300.00
mm. Refiling or Rehearing before Planning & Zoning
Committee…………………. ………………….$ (see below)
(The fee shall be equal to the fee for the underlying application, as set forth in
Section 13-1-21(e)(1)a-ll)
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Section 2. Subsection (a)(4) [Structures Exempt Under 59.692(1V) Wis.
Stats.] of Section 13-1-22 [Setback and Height Restrictions] of
Article B [General Provisions] of Chapter 1 [Zoning Code] of Title
13 [Zoning Code] of the Code of Ordinances, Bayfield County,
Wisconsin, is hereby amended to read as follows, with additions
highlighted by the double underline feature (additions):
b. The total cumulative floor area of all structures within the
shoreland setback area of the lot upon which the structure is to be
located shall not exceed two hundred (200) square feet.
Section 3. Subsection (6)(a) [Boathouses] of Section 13-1-22 [Setback and
Height Restrictions] of Article B [General Provisions] of Chapter 1
[Zoning Code] of Title 13 [Zoning Code] of the Code of
Ordinances, Bayfield County, Wisconsin, is hereby amended to
read as follows, with additions highlighted by the double underline
feature (additions), and deletions highlighted by the strike out
feature (deletions):
(6) Boathouses. No boathouse may be constructed closer to a
navigable body of water than the applicable setback after the
effective date of this provision. Any existing boathouse between
the applicable setback and the ordinary high water mark shall be
subject to Section 13-1-40(f)(2-3). Any existing boathouse
extending beyond the ordinary high water mark shall be subject to
Sec. 30.121, Wis. Stats.
a. Only boathouse construction activities which follow Best
Management Practices (BMPs) and are done in a manner
designated to minimize erosion, sedimentation and impairment of
fish and wildlife habitat and which are accomplished in conformity
with all applicable federal, state and local laws are permissible in
the shoreland.
b. Boathouses shall be designed, constructed and used solely for the
storage of boats and/or related equipment and shall not include
any habitable living area including but not limited to decks, patios,
lean-tos or porches.
c. Boathouses shall not be equipped with a potable water supply,
fireplaces, patio doors, food preparation equipment, furniture or
any features inconsistent with the use of the structure exclusively
as a boathouse.
d. Boathouses shall have a gable roof with eves not to exceed 24
inches.
e. Boathouses shall not be placed water ward beyond the ordinary
high water mark unless otherwise approved by the Department of
Natural Resources.
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f. Only one boathouse is permitted, as an accessory structure, for
each buildable lot. A boathouse may not be the first structure on
the parcel.
g. Boathouses shall not be excavated into an existing slope of more
than 20 percent unless Class B Special Use permit is approved by
the Planning & Zoning Department.
h. Boathouses shall be entirely within the access and viewing
corridor; must be setback a minimum of ten feet from the ordinary
high-water mark, and shall be constructed in conformity with all
floodplain zoning standards.
i. Boathouses shall not exceed one story. Maximum height from the
boathouse floor to the roof peak shall not exceed 12 feet. The
footprint shall not exceed 400 square feet.
j. The maintenance and repair of existing nonconforming
boathouses, which extent beyond the ordinary high-water mark,
shall comply with the requirements of Wis. Stats. §30.121.
k. Standards for removal of shoreline vegetation in Section 13-1-23
shall be complied with.
l. Boathouses must use exterior building materials or treatments that
are inconspicuous and blend with the natural setting of the site.
m. A boathouse requires a land use permit and must include an
impervious surface calculation form and associated fee(s).
Section 4. The table listed under Section 13-1-62(a) [Classification of Uses]
of Article D [Zoning Districts] of Chapter 1 [Zoning Code] or Title
13 [Zoning] of the Code of Ordinances, Bayfield County,
Wisconsin is hereby amended to include the following:
PERMISSIBLE USES R-4
R-3
R-1
R-2 R-
RB C I M A-1 A-
2 F-1 F-2 W
Boathouses P P P SB P P
Trailhead SB SB SB SB SB SB SB SB
Section 5. Section (c) [Refilings and Rehearings] of Section 13-1-101A
[Planning and Zoning Committee] of Article F [Administration and
Enforcement] of Chapter 1 [Zoning Code] of Title 13 [Zoning Code]
of the Code of Ordinances, Bayfield County, Wisconsin, is hereby
created to read as follows, with additions highlighted by the double
underline feature (additions):
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(c) Refilings and Rehearings
(1) Refiling Rule. No matter that has been previously acted upon by
the Planning and Zoning Committee shall be considered upon a
new application unless one or more of the following applies:
a. The application does not involve a request for an identical permit
or does not allege the same misinterpretation or error.
b. The application does not contain the original request for specific
action.
c. Substantial change in the use of adjacent property has occurred
since the previous application was decided upon.
d. The previous hearing on application was closed without a hearing
because the applicant was not present at the time such application
was scheduled for a hearing.
e. There is a claim that there should be a rehearing based upon
newly discovered evidence. A rehearing will only be granted on
this basis when all of the following apply:
1. The evidence has come to the moving party’s notice after the
initial hearing.
2. The moving party’s failure to discover the evidence earlier did not
arise from lack of diligence in seeking to discover it.
3. The evidence is material and not cumulative.
4. The new evidence would probably change the result.
(2) Reopenings and Rehearings Limited. The Planning and Zoning
Committee, on its own motion, may not reopen any case upon
which a previous hearing has been held or a formal decision
rendered, except in the following circumstances:
a. To correct a manifest error or when there is some ambiguity or
missing element in the decision that makes it impossible for the
Planning and Zoning Department to apply the decision(s). In such
a situation, the Committee may reopen an application at its next
scheduled meeting.
b. The Committee, at the request of the Planning and Zoning
Department, may also reopen an application without regard to time
limits if an interpretation of a prior decision is necessary, or if
interpretation, modification or enforcement of conditions of a
committee decision is necessary. Nothing in this section b. should
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be interpreted as allowing a complete reopening of the application,
nor require or presume that the committee should make any
substantial change in their decision. There shall be a filing fee as
required for a reopening or rehearing under Section 13-1-
21(e)(1)mm of the Bayfield County Code of Ordinances if the
applicant is the party seeking a partial reopening under this
section b. for purposes of deleting or substantially modifying a
condition placed on a committee decision. There shall be no filing
fee if the request for reopening is solely at the request of the
Planning and Zoning Department. In any rehearing or reopening of
a Planning and Zoning Committee decision, the criteria for
decision shall be the same legal criteria as for the original
decision.
(3) Closure of Application. An application will be considered as
reviewed and closed at such time as the Committee approves or
rejects an application or appeal by motion. No request for
reconsideration by the applicant shall be considered unless filed
within 30 days after the written decision of the Planning and
Zoning Committee is mailed to the applicant by the Planning and
Zoning Department.
(4) Procedures for Reconsideration. A simple majority vote shall be
sufficient to reconsider a previous decision. If reconsideration is
refused to an interested party who has requested reconsideration,
the Committee shall enter on the minutes the basis of the request,
the reason why it was refused, and the vote of the Committee
members thereon. If reconsideration is approved, the case will be
placed on the agenda for the next regular meeting/hearing and
notice given as required for an original hearing upon payment of
the re-hearing fee.
Schierman spoke in support explaining that most of these proposed changes are
quick fixes. Section 1 pertained to fees for permits on boat houses and refiling
and rehearing applications, that part is pulled from the BOA language. Jardine
asked if any of this is in regards to setbacks, Schierman answered no. Section 2
is a quick fix, in the exempt structures section, the word “square” is missing in
front of the word feet. Section 3 is adding boathouses to the permitting process.
Everything that is double underlined will be added. Section 4 is a modification of
the list of uses. Boathouses will be added to the Ag-1 and F-1 zoning districts as
there are these zoning districts with Lake Front. There will be a Special Use B
added to the conservancy zoning district for trail heads, an example would be the
application the committee heard last month. Section 5 is refiling and rehearing
language pulled for the BOA put into zoning so applicants cannot keep applying if
there is a change in the committee members or if there is not a significant change
in the application. Sections 5-7 are clauses dealing with legalities. Bussey asked
if there was any town input. Schierman answered, the Town of Russell wrote a
letter in support of the changes.
Discussion ended.
8. Adjournment of Public Hearing:
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Jardine made a motion to adjourn, Pocernich seconded. Motion carried.
Adjourned at 4:10 pm.
9. Call to Order of Planning and Zoning Committee Meeting: Rondeau called the
meeting to order at 4:10 pm.
10. Roll Call: Bussey, Jardine, Pocernich, Rondeau and Strand –all present.
Others present were: Director-Rob Schierman, Jennifer Croonborg-Murphy-AZA, Josh
Rowley-AZA, and Krystal Hagstrom - Secretary.
11. Previous Business:
Nov. D. Steven & Sherry Rosenwinkel / Julie Rosenwinkel (Clover) – (ATF) hobby
farm (100-150 chickens for egg business) (tabled 11/19/15) [a 1.52-acre
parcel (Tax ID #12165), described as Lot 1 of CSM #1141, Section 34,
Township 51 North, Range 7 West, Town of Clover, Bayfield County, WI]
Jardine motioned to approve. Bussey seconded. Schierman stated
the town board motioned to limit the request to the current property owner only
and limit the request up to 150 chickens only. Croonborg-Murphy stated she
inspected the property and Julie was on site at time of inspection. She asked the
committee if they received the photos from the inspection since she doesn’t know
what they receive in drop box. Committee members stated there were no photos
in the drop box; Schierman added that there was a problem with drop box earlier.
Croonborg-Murphy went on to explain that there is a soil test that shows heavy
clay soils on the property. They are in a large coop right now that was approved
as a studio and a use change approved for a residence. If permit is approved and
used as a coop there needs to be a change of use permit issued. Julie is looking
into a nutrient management plan and waste management plan. There is a parcel
in between her and the lake. There is an acre and a half in between the chickens
and the lake. Bussey moved to amend the motion to provide that it is a permit for
up to 150 chickens, and limit it to the current property owner, and consistent with
the town comp plan. Croonborg-Murphy stated that the applicant is the
authorized agent and suggested to change the wording. Bussey changed the
wording to the current occupant or property owner. Strand seconded the
amended motion. Pocernich stated the letter in the file is a bit concerning
(Pocernich read the letter from the file, Mr. Mueller is concerned about the current
state of the property). Croonborg-Murphy pulled up the photos and showed the
committee. Strand asked about retail sales. Croonborg-Murphy stated Julie
supplies to Washburn IGA and Chequamegon Co-op. Bussey asked Schierman
for the difference between a hobby farm and a regular farm Croonborg-Murphy
read the definitions. Pocernich stated anything out of the Ag district is why the
committee receives a hobby farm application. Bussey asked the size of the lot
and regards to nearby residences. Croonborg-Murphy answered that it is a 1.25
acre lot and the coop is 50 feet from one property line on one side and 100 to the
other. She did not enter another person’s property to measure to a well.
Pocernich motioned to suspend rules and allow for public comment. Bussey
seconded. Motion carried. Julie Rosenwinkel spoke in support explaining the
property was split for the intent of possibly selling the lake lot. The neighbors
have ten acres to the left and 6 acres in front of her. The houses are roughly 600
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feet away. There is 10 acres on the lake side. Bussey asked the distance of the
closest neighbor, Rosenwinkel answered about 600 – 800 feet. Coop is not
visible from the road. No further discussion. Amended motion carried. No
further discussion on original motion. Original motion as amended carried.
12. New Business
A. A petition by Robert Schierman, Director of Planning and Zoning, on behalf
of the Bayfield County Planning and Zoning Committee, requesting an
ordinance amending sections 13-1-21, 13-1-22(a)(4)b, 13-1-22, and 13-1-62, and
13-1-101A(c) code of ordinances, Bayfield county, Wisconsin.
Section 1. Subsection (e)(1) [fee schedule] of Section 13-1-21 [General Land
Use Requirements] of Article B [General Provisions] of Chapter 1
[Zoning Code] of Title 13 [Zoning Code] of the Code of
Ordinances, Bayfield County, Wisconsin, is hereby amended to
read as follows, with additions highlighted by the double underline
feature (additions):
ll. Boathouse………………………. ………………….$ 300.00
mm. Refiling or Rehearing before Planning & Zoning
Committee…………………. ………………….$ (see below)
(The fee shall be equal to the fee for the underlying application, as set forth in
Section 13-1-21(e)(1)a-ll)
Section 2. Subsection (a)(4) [Structures Exempt Under 59.692(1V) Wis.
Stats.] of Section 13-1-22 [Setback and Height Restrictions] of
Article B [General Provisions] of Chapter 1 [Zoning Code] of Title
13 [Zoning Code] of the Code of Ordinances, Bayfield County,
Wisconsin, is hereby amended to read as follows, with additions
highlighted by the double underline feature (additions):
b. The total cumulative floor area of all structures within the
shoreland setback area of the lot upon which the structure is to be
located shall not exceed two hundred (200) square feet.
Section 3. Subsection (6)(a) [Boathouses] of Section 13-1-22 [Setback and
Height Restrictions] of Article B [General Provisions] of Chapter 1
[Zoning Code] of Title 13 [Zoning Code] of the Code of
Ordinances, Bayfield County, Wisconsin, is hereby amended to
read as follows, with additions highlighted by the double underline
feature (additions), and deletions highlighted by the strike out
feature (deletions):
(6) Boathouses. No boathouse may be constructed closer to a
navigable body of water than the applicable setback after the
effective date of this provision. Any existing boathouse between
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the applicable setback and the ordinary high water mark shall be
subject to Section 13-1-40(f)(2-3). Any existing boathouse
extending beyond the ordinary high water mark shall be subject to
Sec. 30.121, Wis. Stats.
a. Only boathouse construction activities which follow Best
Management Practices (BMPs) and are done in a manner
designated to minimize erosion, sedimentation and impairment of
fish and wildlife habitat and which are accomplished in conformity
with all applicable federal, state and local laws are permissible in
the shoreland.
b. Boathouses shall be designed, constructed and used solely for the
storage of boats and/or related equipment and shall not include
any habitable living area including but not limited to decks, patios,
lean-tos or porches.
c. Boathouses shall not be equipped with a potable water supply,
fireplaces, patio doors, food preparation equipment, furniture or
any features inconsistent with the use of the structure exclusively
as a boathouse.
d. Boathouses shall have a gable roof with eves not to exceed 24
inches.
e. Boathouses shall not be placed water ward beyond the ordinary
high water mark unless otherwise approved by the Department of
Natural Resources.
f. Only one boathouse is permitted, as an accessory structure, for
each buildable lot. A boathouse may not be the first structure on
the parcel.
g. Boathouses shall not be excavated into an existing slope of more
than 20 percent unless Class B Special Use permit is approved by
the Planning & Zoning Department.
h. Boathouses shall be entirely within the access and viewing
corridor; must be setback a minimum of ten feet from the ordinary
high-water mark, and shall be constructed in conformity with all
floodplain zoning standards.
i. Boathouses shall not exceed one story. Maximum height from the
boathouse floor to the roof peak shall not exceed 12 feet. The
footprint shall not exceed 400 square feet.
j. The maintenance and repair of existing nonconforming
boathouses, which extent beyond the ordinary high-water mark,
shall comply with the requirements of Wis. Stats. §30.121.
k. Standards for removal of shoreline vegetation in Section 13-1-23
shall be complied with.
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l. Boathouses must use exterior building materials or treatments that
are inconspicuous and blend with the natural setting of the site.
m. A boathouse requires a land use permit and must include an
impervious surface calculation form and associated fee(s).
Section 4. The table listed under Section 13-1-62(a) [Classification of Uses]
of Article D [Zoning Districts] of Chapter 1 [Zoning Code] or Title
13 [Zoning] of the Code of Ordinances, Bayfield County,
Wisconsin is hereby amended to include the following:
PERMISSIBLE USES R-4
R-3
R-1
R-2 R-
RB C I M A-1 A-
2 F-1 F-2 W
Boathouses P P P SB P P
Trailhead SB SB SB SB SB SB SB SB
Section 5. Section (c) [Refilings and Rehearings] of Section 13-1-101A
[Planning and Zoning Committee] of Article F [Administration and
Enforcement] of Chapter 1 [Zoning Code] of Title 13 [Zoning Code]
of the Code of Ordinances, Bayfield County, Wisconsin, is hereby
created to read as follows, with additions highlighted by the double
underline feature (additions):
(c) Refilings and Rehearings
(5) Refiling Rule. No matter that has been previously acted upon by
the Planning and Zoning Committee shall be considered upon a
new application unless one or more of the following applies:
f. The application does not involve a request for an identical permit
or does not allege the same misinterpretation or error.
g. The application does not contain the original request for specific
action.
h. Substantial change in the use of adjacent property has occurred
since the previous application was decided upon.
i. The previous hearing on application was closed without a hearing
because the applicant was not present at the time such application
was scheduled for a hearing.
j. There is a claim that there should be a rehearing based upon
newly discovered evidence. A rehearing will only be granted on
this basis when all of the following apply:
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5. The evidence has come to the moving party’s notice after the
initial hearing.
6. The moving party’s failure to discover the evidence earlier did not
arise from lack of diligence in seeking to discover it.
7. The evidence is material and not cumulative.
8. The new evidence would probably change the result.
(6) Reopenings and Rehearings Limited. The Planning and Zoning
Committee, on its own motion, may not reopen any case upon
which a previous hearing has been held or a formal decision
rendered, except in the following circumstances:
c. To correct a manifest error or when there is some ambiguity or
missing element in the decision that makes it impossible for the
Planning and Zoning Department to apply the decision(s). In such
a situation, the Committee may reopen an application at its next
scheduled meeting.
d. The Committee, at the request of the Planning and Zoning
Department, may also reopen an application without regard to time
limits if an interpretation of a prior decision is necessary, or if
interpretation, modification or enforcement of conditions of a
committee decision is necessary. Nothing in this section b. should
be interpreted as allowing a complete reopening of the application,
nor require or presume that the committee should make any
substantial change in their decision. There shall be a filing fee as
required for a reopening or rehearing under Section 13-1-
21(e)(1)mm of the Bayfield County Code of Ordinances if the
applicant is the party seeking a partial reopening under this
section b. for purposes of deleting or substantially modifying a
condition placed on a committee decision. There shall be no filing
fee if the request for reopening is solely at the request of the
Planning and Zoning Department. In any rehearing or reopening of
a Planning and Zoning Committee decision, the criteria for
decision shall be the same legal criteria as for the original
decision.
(7) Closure of Application. An application will be considered as
reviewed and closed at such time as the Committee approves or
rejects an application or appeal by motion. No request for
reconsideration by the applicant shall be considered unless filed
within 30 days after the written decision of the Planning and
Zoning Committee is mailed to the applicant by the Planning and
Zoning Department.
(8) Procedures for Reconsideration. A simple majority vote shall be
sufficient to reconsider a previous decision. If reconsideration is
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refused to an interested party who has requested reconsideration,
the Committee shall enter on the minutes the basis of the request,
the reason why it was refused, and the vote of the Committee
members thereon. If reconsideration is approved, the case will be
placed on the agenda for the next regular meeting/hearing and
notice given as required for an original hearing upon payment of
the re-hearing fee.
Pocernich motioned to approve. Strand seconded. Bussey stated that
section 3. Are these mandated by state law to allow? Schierman answered yes.
Mike Wenholtz from the DNR recommended them. Bussey stated he would like
take a look at this differently, rezones need different treatment. Is reconsideration
the same as reopening a file? There is some distinction in Roberts Rules.
Bussey does not think they are the same thing and suggested that Schierman
might want to look into this a little more. Bussey moved to amend motion by
deleting section 5 (the first section 5) for the time being to give us a chance to
look at it a little further with the understanding that it be reconsidered. Pocernich
seconded. No further discussion. Motion carried. No further discussion on
original motion. Original motion as amended carried.
B. Ski Foundation Inc. / American Berkebeiner Ski Foundation Inc. (Cable) –
trailhead [a 30.27-acre parcel (Tax ID #37236), described as Lot 1 CSM #1939
in V.11 P.255 (Located in SE ¼ of the NW ¼; SW NW; NW NW SW; NE SW
SEC 21 & SE NE; NE SE SEC 20), Section 20, Township 43 North, Range 7
West, Town of Cable, Bayfield County, WI]
Rowley explained they purchased some land and would like a warming shed and
if approved as a trail head they can have a warming shed permitted. Schierman
stated the town recommended approval and stated it is consistent with town
comp plan. Rowley stated this is zoned R-RB. The plan is to do another building
as well, and this will reduce multiple trips to the committee.
Jardine motioned to approve based on Town Board Approval, that it
meets the Comprehensive Plan. Strand seconded. No further discussion.
Motion carried.
C. Discussion and possible action regarding update on shoreland zoning
regulation.
No discussion.
D. Committee members’ discussion(s) regarding matter of the P & Z Dept.
No discussion.
13. Monthly Report / Budget and Revenue
Schierman explained that the department did a lot of business this year and was
budgeted for $185,000 in fees and took in $226,000 in fees. Schierman noted that land
use permits are ahead by 9 compared to last year and sanitary permits are ahead by 40
compared to last year. The department is $32,928 up in fees collected from last year.
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There was some employee changes in the way the insurance was structured and the
adjustment was not made by the administrative office at the time of hire so a resolution
will be brought forward for a budget amendment. Schierman noted that land use permits
are ahead by 9 compared to last year and sanitary permits are ahead by 40 compared to
last year. The department is $32,928 up in fees collected from last year.
Jardine motioned to receive and place on file, Pocernich seconded. No further
discussion. Motion carried.
14. Adjournment
Rondeau called adjournment at 4:45 pm.
Prepared by KMH on 12/18/2015; given to RDS 12/21/2015
Approved by RDS on 1/4/2016
Sent to ZC on 1/4/2016
Final Approval on 1/21/2016 cc: (after final approval)- (8) Supervisors, Cty Admin./Clerk, DNR, Web
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